Hi comp pistons

Discussion in 'Technical' started by larlok, Nov 21, 2010.

  1. larlok

    larlok Member

    Hi all
    I know most of the pros for getting hi comp tt pistons but what are some of the cons to expect? I'm looking at you black beast:)
    Thanks for any advice
    Joe
     
  2. WazTTed

    WazTTed Grease Monkey

    tt's run lower compression dude !!! or else you would be in PING CITY
     
  3. larlok

    larlok Member

    I'm doing a build to suit and I'm not sure to go with higher comp pistons or just STD
     
  4. a2zed

    a2zed Guest

    What fuel?
    What cams?
    What turbo's?
    What power goal?

    High compression is good if you know what you are doing, ping city if you don't.
     
  5. BLACK BEAST

    BLACK BEAST SLICKTOP TT R-SPEC

    What fuel? E85
    What cams? R4+
    What turbo's? GT28RS
    What power goal? 400+RWKW


    That should do it :D

    assuming you mean 9:1 as high comp?
     
  6. larlok

    larlok Member

    98
    R4+
    Gt2860rs dico potato
    400 - 500Kw
    :)
     
  7. larlok

    larlok Member

  8. larlok

    larlok Member

    If I was to go 9:1 set what would be the best coarse of action to stop pinging?
     
  9. a2zed

    a2zed Guest

    9:1 static or dynamic compression?
    What effect will R4+ cams have on your desired compression ratio?
    What compression pistons will you use to get your dynamic comp ratio?
    What will be the final installed height?
    What will be the combustion chamber cc including head gaskets?
    What do you think you will gain from higher compression?

    Also higher compression isnot worth doing on pump 98. E85 or better so you can atleast see some benefits from it where you are gfoing to want to use it. I would be looking at much larger than 2860's if you are going to run high compression. And I would be looking to run atleast 9.8 static to make it worth doing.
     
  10. larlok

    larlok Member

    Well that's some thorough questioning although I'm am a mechanic I am not an engine builder ( would like to be one) I belive that 9:1 is static ratio of the piston and as for the combustion chamber cc I don't have a clue, sorry. I thought a higher compression would reduce turbo lag.

    Joe
     
  11. a2zed

    a2zed Guest

    Compression will reduce lag, but depending on fuel used will also reduce the ammount of total ignition timing you can have which will effect your power.

    You need to work out how much power and when you would like to start making power and spec the engine from there. The complete engine combo depends on those 2 answers alone. R4+ cams with 9:1 static is low compression, pretty well near stock when you calculate dynamic.

    Blackbeast is correct in everything except the comp ratio. If you were to follow his specs for cams, turbo's and fuel I would run 9.4:1 pistons at zero deck height with standard cc combustion chambers. If you do not want to plan your trips around where you can buy E85, stick with 98ron fuel, nicely ported heads and R4 cams with 8.9:1 comp.
     
  12. larlok

    larlok Member

    That does sound alot easier as I don't really want to run e85, so how do I get 8.9:1 comp ratio?
    Joe
     
  13. rollin

    rollin First 9

    If i was you i wouldnt bother playing with high compression unless youve got a hard on for E85. If your talking about 400+rwkw, you will have lag regardless. the high compression will take the edge off but off boost performance will still be laggy off boost performance like most turbo v6's.

    Go with low comp, make tuning easy , safer for your motor and you will still do big horsepower.
     
  14. rollin

    rollin First 9

    metal head gaskets in the appropriate thickness. Engine builder will determine what sizes u need by cc'ing it
     
  15. larlok

    larlok Member

    I'm gonna be the engine builder lol
    So STD comp pistons and STD head gasket it is I'll just put up with the lag :)
    Joe
     
  16. BLACK BEAST

    BLACK BEAST SLICKTOP TT R-SPEC

    larlok this is why I still recommend 9:1 compression with 98 fuel
     
  17. larlok

    larlok Member

    Geez now I'm confused what's the difference between static and dynamic? And if I was to buy pistons what would I ask for if I wanted 9:1 comp?
     
  18. BLACK BEAST

    BLACK BEAST SLICKTOP TT R-SPEC

    the Dr can explain the first better
    http://www.z1motorsports.com/product_info.php?products_id=39
    with Z1 you can choose custom on piston choice
     
  19. larlok

    larlok Member

    Ok so as black beast said what would be the problem with going 9:1 static with the r4+ if the dynamic comp ratio is almost stock, because wouldn't r4+'s with stock comp pistons lower dynamic comp lower than stock?
     
  20. rollin

    rollin First 9

    its still worth having someone calculate the compression ratio for you properly. if you use a stock head gasket you wont be able to adjust your compression ratio unless you use custom pistons. you dont know if teh heads have beeen skimmed before, you will be skimming them and decking the block.
     

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