VG30DETT VS 2JZ Vs RB26 --Longish--

Discussion in 'Technical' started by XTREME ZX, Aug 9, 2007.

  1. WOKBURNER

    WOKBURNER Bringer of fun and mayhem

    Ls1 get in contact with Sure Flow Exhaust!

    Down in Ingleburn near Campbell town. They have down a very nice job on theirs,

    MattB
     
  2. WOKBURNER

    WOKBURNER Bringer of fun and mayhem

    Seen whole halfcuts cheaper than $6000!

    And have seen full Ls1 packages with 6 speed, gearbox and computers, halfcuts are the place to start as you will get most of what you need.

    MattB
     
  3. ZX2NV

    ZX2NV Z Racing Evolution

    Bear in mind though if you go a 3k, 4k 5k or even 6k half cut chances are the engine will be worn out and shagged and need rebuilding anyway to be reliable. So factor in 4k for the half cut around another 4 or so for the installation and wiring alterations, then another 3k or so for brake upgrades and other lovelies the engineer will most likely want you to get done for rego reasons and you are looking at around the 10k mark maybe more and all you have got is a 240odd kw at the flywheel car. The factor in a rebuild of the worn engine 6kish (cheapo) maybe a custom turbo or supercharger and you start talking not much change from 20 - 25k.

    20 - 25 k on a VG30DETT buys a whole lot of engine.

    I would only seriously look at a hybrid if it was a pure track car or in the case of the driftZ a drift car or similar. The hassles you will go through in NSW to get it all registered legitimately will cost the earth and then some.
     
  4. WOKBURNER

    WOKBURNER Bringer of fun and mayhem

    Want more than a worn out shitter for 4K Jason!

    If thats all your getting mate then you getting ripped off seriously! Cars in general mate, and used engines arent worth shit, people just get a little carried away with what they ask for them - largely to do with what mechanics charge to work on our 10+ year old vechiles.

    If you are buying a halfcut test it properly 1st though, compression etc and ask them to run it also.

    MattB
     
  5. ZX2NV

    ZX2NV Z Racing Evolution

    Yeah thats a good point I guess Matty. Maybe I should rephase it slightly, be careful of buying second hand gear from unconfirmed sources such as Ebay etc especially holden V8's etc as many maybe too hot too touch or be well and truly thrashed with lots and lots of klms on them. A comp test and that will help but even these can be fudged by someone in the know.

    Personally I would always strip down an unknown engine and at the very least check it all out and fit new gaskets, timing belts, water pumps etc just to be safe.

    You gonna go an LS2 Matt ;) ;)
     
  6. XTREME ZX

    XTREME ZX ZED Xtremist

    Guys Guys. You should know me better than that...

    The intention was always to rebuild the motor... What i dont want is rod through the sump and or block half cut... dont mind if the motor was full of oil leaks due to wear.. It wont just be installed and away i go.. If i was to go down this path then its not worth the effort unless i rebuild.

    The motor will be bought from a trusted source for other obvious reasons like warranty ahahahahahhahah just kidding...:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: ..
     
  7. vbevan

    vbevan Active Member

    Considering the costs of rebuild + engine, have you considered a crate engine? Might cost 10k but you can be 100% sure it's in pristine condition and it will come with an engine dyno sheet/warrenty etc.
     
  8. 300zxt

    300zxt Well-Known Member

  9. Blade83

    Blade83 New Member

    Lol this post is about perfect for me..

    Since I have owned all 3 cars with the engines you specify :p 300zxtt, supra tt and GTR skyline.

    I dont think your power requirements are really going to stress any of the engines you have listed, the problems you have listed for the RB26 and the 2JZ only have "happened" under extreme racing situations, so consider your application.

    Personally, The RB26 is a fantastic, revvy engine that produces great power and feels fantastic, the 2JZ is the power of a super-car and the reliability of a camry, yet it is let down by the getrag 6 box, which is a bullet proof box yes, but Ive felt sportier changes in a Tractor :bash:

    For the power you want, I would say stick with the VG, they sound great, and 350kw has been achieved easily without even touching internals. tell you what, If I lose my grip on sanity ever, and buy another supra (over my dead body) it will have a VG30 in it :D
     
  10. Martin

    Martin New Member

    what i mean is an inline 6 will obviously be significant loinger than a v6 (in general terms, im sure there are exceptions). id say part of the reason why 300zx's have v6's is because they have a relatively small engine bay and because a v6 is short it can fit a significant quantity behind the front wheels. a straight 6 (like a 2j of rb26) will hang more weight over the front wheels which screws up wieght distribution and will probably give the car far more understeer.
     
  11. ZXDEVIL

    ZXDEVIL Active Member

    What sort of engineering stuff has to be done for an engine swap? With recent events on NSW roads wouldn't it be pretty hard to get the certificates and approval to register it?
     
  12. ZX2NV

    ZX2NV Z Racing Evolution

    I know you know Teza was just mentioning if for others who may think its a cheap option.

    Engineering can be a pain in the arse in NSW ZXDEVIL. They have general requirements relating to power to weight ratio etc and overall displacement rules. Replacing a TT engine with a 5.7 or even 6 litre V8 is okay even up to 7 litres NA is okay I think from memory, however if you plan on doing it to an NA zed the biggets you can fit is a 4.9 litre NA engine once again from memory. Reason why the difference is there is the TT has bigger brakes and probably a slightly stiffer chassis which helps with the bigger power engine whereas the NA zed wont have these things and will need to be done to satisfy the engineer and the RTA.
     
  13. scump

    scump John Dorian

    wont you have to refabricate a hell of alot to fit a 2jz in there? those things are massive!

    i love all 3 engines, but if i wanted a beast if probably head towards the rb26 (stroked/bored etc.)....

    what about a vq30de+TT... remember that turbo kit for the VQ its like 6kus and puts out like 450hp on 6 psi....mmm thatd be fun, and different too! ive not seen one, may be bit tuff to fit tho?
     
  14. Hec7ic

    Hec7ic New Member

    thanks mate will do

    Thanks, that's perfect bout 10 mins from my place. appreciate it
     
  15. 300zxt

    300zxt Well-Known Member

    Funny you mention that, in Japan the Z31 (200ZR) also came with the RB20DET from the factory so from the start it has always fit both. There would be a touch more room in the Z32 engine bay aswell I'm sure.
     
  16. XTREME ZX

    XTREME ZX ZED Xtremist

    vq35 has conversion has been done before.

    BUT the vq motor is not as strong. The heads are no where near as strong as the vg nor do they have the underlying strength the vg motor has.. In my opinion it is not a great choice of motor.....
     
  17. mafi-zed

    mafi-zed the resident hoon

    cant beat the ls1 for sound.. twin 3" exhausts.. lumpy cams.. 300rwkw.. ohhh jesus juice..
     
  18. ZDUCTIV

    ZDUCTIV Active Member

    If I was doing an engine conversion, it'd be an LS2, with snails hanging off it, and t56 transmission, and I'd only go that route if I was going for ridiculous amounts of power.

    LS7 with head/cam upgrade would be nice, but crate engine is like 13kUSD before shipping.
     
  19. WOKBURNER

    WOKBURNER Bringer of fun and mayhem

    Not much difference in the chassis TT to NA!

    Just the bolt on pieces (brakes, sways bars, shocks, diff etc) as far as I am aware Jason!

    MattB:cool:
     
  20. WOKBURNER

    WOKBURNER Bringer of fun and mayhem

    Not much difference in the chassis TT to NA!

    Just the bolt on pieces (brakes, sways bars, shocks, diff etc) as far as I am aware Jason! Nothing that cant be dealt with and the max should be the same for vechiles as the limit goes on what was the biggest engine capacity that was available in that chassis - eg the TT motor. So aslong as the rest is upgraded you go with that.

    MattB:cool:
     

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