Coolant - Ready made or concentrate...?

Here's How.

I recently got a Californian TR8 convertible on the road, 3.5litre Rover, ran a little warm but acceptable,the plan when I started playing with this(8years ago)was to put in a worked 4.6 .could not get it engineered with this power, got it on the road with the 3.5, then dumped in the 4.6 the day after. Huge heat problem,could not drive it on any day that got passed 30.25 was borderline, was running round 40% castrol concentrate,It was that bad I was going to go for an aluminum radiator, but on the advice of a racer(older than Brock, does not believe in magnets- like me, lost interest in F1 when they started sticking the engines in the back) I gave Water wetter a go. A bottle added brought the temp down to round 100( not the most accurate gauges in Pom cars) No problems even on days when it hit 40. after 1000ks had to drain fluid to change a front cover gasket, when I refilled I dispensed with the castrol and just used water wetter,Temperature sat at same point as it did with the mixture, ergo; It works! dont need an anti-freeze I'm in Sydney. We could go on arguing this for days ,it seems to have had an adverse affect on some allready. The point that has been missed is that water is the coolant.everything else in there is an additive .What we are arguing is a personal choice -Spot, woof woof, wag wag.

 

You finally get it, water is the coolant, Water Wetter IS NOT.

No apology necessary, Rob probably forgives you too.:LOL::zlove::zlove:

 

Right mastermind, it's an additive that cools!

I "got"this years ago. before additives were required.The idea of forums is to bounce round ideas, Spot has his ,I have mine, as usual, you dont have any,just more waffle. nothing relevant at all,rational debate,thats what it's about,and sometimes (some of us )will pick up some information that is of use to their situation.Read back through this post, you have contributed nothing to the crossover of ideas, just wasted more space.

 

You can't talk to the great one

Like that, wasted space,waffle,no idea, your starting to sound like his wife. Lol:LOL::LOL::LOL:

 

I suggest YOU read back through this thread.>

You're the one who insisted that the product was a coolant ( even to the point of telling a professional radiator specialist, that he was wrong), and you now state the very obvious point that I was making, that the product is an additive, water being the coolant.
How many sides are you on in this discussion?
What have you contributed to this thread? (Apart from being instrumental in the adding of 14 posts, before doing a 180 degree turn.)

If you want to get into name calling, do it somewhere else, because I'm reasonably adept in that department, although I haven't exercised it in this thread, and don't intend to.

 

Put up or shut up,Mastermind

The argument, right from the start was, is water wetter a cooling agent,thank you for acknowledging my point that water is the coolant, everything put into it is an additive. a challenge to you, prove that a product that lowers temp by 20c, lubricates seals and waterpumps is not what is usually refered to as a coolant.This is the argument. or did you miss this point?- Rational argument, is when you back up your statements with fact . not ,my mates a good bloke, so he's right.(that's a touch too tribal) this is your big chance , produce some facts.you took a side, show us a real reason why.Perhaps even maintain a silence until you can.

 

Enough of this crap. Argue by yourself >>>

You should be able to handle that, given that you're currently on both sides of the fence.

Followed by:

And from my initial post:

Who's acknowledging who?

You don't need me, you've got it well and truly covered.

Oh! BTW, It'll take a better debater than you, to put an end to my input,(serious, or tongue-in-cheek).

 

I love this... how good

I owuld just like to point out that people around here usually (not always) but usually listen to the people that have the most experience in a specific area. Like the 'senior' members of this forum with like 1 billion posts to their name.

I would suggest that they be followed as their intricate knowledge of the Zed is amazing. Further to this, as I sold my Zed to Spot, I would suggest that a person with his own radiator business and who has been in the game for years knows best.

Really children, get over it. Face the facts that the inital argument has been sorted and people proved Russ wrong on first account. For you Russ, accept that you back peddled and live with it. You learnt something, now store it in that little thing on top of your shoulders called the brain and relax

 

honk if you're a goose!

jump into a debate with no imput, don't understand what is being argued,In the simplest terms possible "does this stuff work to cool an engine" There you go ,a 7 year old could have worked that out!no, too hard, leap to the defence of someone that didn't need any help. then try and cover your stupidity by picking points that were not even an issue,then bluster to make an escape.

 

Sorry Russ, but I'd give a little bit more credit to someone who has

contributed over 4140+ posts on this forum over two years.

Like his ornery approach or not, you can't dispute the quality of the opinion or the calibre of the knowledge.

Chili is a bit like shrek, get to know him and peel back a few layers ... you will be pleasantly surprised!!

Forget the slinging match and move on ...?

 

Just like Shrek.

Yeah, that's me, fat, green, and ugly, and lately I've been spending too much time, talking to a donkey.:LOL::zlove:
Thanks Mark, you'll keep!:wacko:

 

Hey Spot. Does a lower temp thermostat make the engine run colder?

Since we are into a cooling debate I thought Id ask since your into radiators. We have had this debate before and people on this board convinced me (after a long time) that they make no difference whatsoever to running temps. However my car runs very cool with a nismo thermostat. Motec reads running temp as 75c after a boost run. Talked to my mechanic who said its the thermostat for sure and thats also the reason my fuel economy is so bad this winter as my car is always running on enrichment. I told him about the experts on here that say a thermostat cant change the operating temp and he reckons they dont know what they are talking about. Just wondering what your opinion is?

 

Hey I've been away for 24hours

the debate has gone from good to bad with a lot of anger being displayed. For what its worth and I will go on record as saying that the coolant v water wetter issue has run its course. If anyone would like any info on the cooling issues please give me a private post:thumbsup: I have 20 years in the radiator industry 15 years owning it, 4 years in competitve motor sport at top level. RIP: :zlove:

 

see my post below thanks :thumbsup:

 

As we're being pedantic.

Water itself is a coolant.
Water wetter mixed with water is an even better coolant
& Water Wetter mixed with water and a glycol based antifreeze antiboil is even betterer!
Technically Glycol based additives are in fact not a coolant in itself, just like Water Wetter an additive to coolant. *shrugs*
Though I suspect if you ran pure Water Wetter or even pure liquid glycol in your radiator it would act as a coolant regardless.
So everyone's right I guess.

 

Nathan the word says it all

Thermostat not sure of the exact definition of the Oxford dictionary. If you have a cooling system thats in good condition and fit a 72.c thermostat the coolant when it reaches that temp it will start the thermostat opening. If the stat is working fine you should see no noticable movement on the temp guage except the normal position would be lower on the guage than if a 82deg stat was fitted. One other thing to take into account is that the aperture of the stat is cruical to the way that they operate as most stats have a 4:1 ratio that is a 32mm opening diameter then they will fully open 8mm hence more flow than 24/6 stat a classic problem with Nissan Patrols and aftermarket thermostats. Hope this helps and make sure you hang onto your mechanic:thumbsup:
Rob..

 

Pure glycol would F#^k your rad in no time far to corosive!

 

Thanks Rob will be interested to hear what some others think of this.

I will be interested to see if this person quoted now argues with you that you are wrong and they dont make any difference to temperatures.

 

Is it just me or do heater cores suffer from corrosion far worse than rads?

 

lol just yours franz