underselling Zs

the thing is with any classification system people have to be honest, even now you can say good condition or poor condition whatever you like, people should be able to read what is described and go from that. Then we have the car thats been super reliable weekend car but not really been driven enough. it may or may not have been serviced enough especially if its a turbo. but has never missed a beat for its current owner. as far as they know its a good cond car. but sure as hell you buy it flog it a week and find gluged up galleries have dropped the oil flow and we have a dead motor, next they have never driven hard enough to realise the suspension is all but dead and the list goes on.

we are lucky if we have a 10 year old car here and more likely to have a 15 - 20 yr old car. A lot of people are now selling cars they bought at 5 - 10 yrs old and are looking at a newer one this means they very likely have not had to do a lot of maintenance due to breakdowns but unless preventative work is done it will be needed in the next few years.

I love my Z and owning it goes against every rule I have for owning a reliable car. I expect the money I saved over buying a comparable performance vehicle thats only 5 years old will easily be spent over the next 5 years (or even less) at unexpected intervals. Nothing in this life is free I just intend to enjoy every bit I can.

 

Well said! Enjoy your z32 experience while you got her! Thats what I intend on doing.. She's taught me alot when doing maintenance myself. My personal opinion is shes the best looking model within the Z series and very well engineered.. interior wise I preferred my 260z over the 350z but best of all is 300zx z32. I guess I've been spoilt by the overally roomyness. Anyways check carsales for 240z and 2 seater 260z they are getting more rare these days thanks to fast demise due to no rust proofing.. Some ppl are asking for $20k to $90k for 240z.

So I guess if you hang onto your z32 for another 10 years prices should start to travel the opposite direction slowly, with considerable pickup after 20 years.

 

Ok 350z & 370z becoming more desirable? I think todays impressions within the Z community will set their future to some limited degree. Of course we will have to wait and let time tell though..

Just a theory I've thought of below....

Today 240z are worth alot even a rough example with quite a bit of rust can go for $10k. Something good $20k to $30k, hell someone is trying to sell one for $95k They are rare to find so thats justified most of the time. Also its the first of the series that set a revolution in affordable well handling sports crs.

Next you have the 260z they sell for silly prices too especially when you consider how much z32 you can buy for their prices, (talking about 2 seater 260z's, 2+2's are not taken seriously)

Now you have the 280z and first gen 300zx, these really havent taken off. since my first Z ownership (260z) I've never seriously thought about the 280z or first gen 300zx..

z32 was the desirable "to have" model!

I've sat in a 350z not driven in it, and I didn't like the feeling when within it.. I preferred my z32 in terms of interior. Also on this forum some ppl either love them or hate them, but pretty much everyone loves the z32?

So to me the 280z and first gen 300zx is like the 350/370z in a way. nice to have when they first came out but for someone wanting to collect a Z car.. well 300zx z32 is still more desirable especially when a twin-turbo one can give these two modern day Z's a good run for their money.

Perhaps just the z32 2+0 TT models (NA that can be converted) will be the ones to take advantage of pricing, but as ppl who have grown up within the z32 generation get older with $$$ they will desire things from their youth and of course the z32 will stick in their minds.


Well thats my spill. I've noticed with my first computer Commodore Amiga, ppl actually make good money for buying super cheap examples or freebies and then just selling them to the community for inflated prices since some newbie buyer just wanted to relive their past and dont mind paying $$$$$$.

 

for sale : 1990 aus spec 2+2 TT manual.

100k ono?

 

I've sold 2 zeds now, both close to asking price and at the upper end of pricing in the current market. I think the price was fair for both me as seller and for the purchaser. To get a good price for my zeds I take the following approach because it is what I like as well as the majority of new zed buyers.

1 All necessary maintenenace is done including under plenum bypass, 100k service. Maintainance history and receipts are important.

2 Cars close to stock in appearance and and had subtle mods including nice wheels, sensible suspension, sporty exhaust, pod filer and mild boost

3 Paint good and interior all intact and above average

4 Car detailed, with special attention to the engine bay.

Big mods and power are great if that's what you want, but it does reduce the number of potential buyers.

Also interesting to note that both purchasers of my zeds were not old men wanting to recpture their youth. They were both young men with good taste.

Good discussion guys

 

ive had like 3 of these scammers messagin me for my car. its for his dad and he's out at sea atm and wants a pickup agent to get the car and hell paypal me the money. lol

apparently wat they do is they transfer the money, a pick up agent comes, then once the car is gone they file a complaint thru paypal, get the money back, then when ur all like wtf "so and so" picked it up, they re all like whos "so and so"? no money, no car. owned.

so fyi dont fall for that crap. dont even email back sayin yehw ateva because then they know its an active email address and will try other scams on you. just file a complaint thru carsales or wateva.

 

lol i always email back. I'm pretty sure that the scam doesn't actually use the car at all. they say theyll pay for it but you need to send em a $1000 fee (that youll somehow get reimbursed for) via western union. Anyways, everytime i get one I tell em that I can only send em the fee if they give me $50 so i can pay the fee which pays the $1000 fee to send the money lol. So far i havent got anything off em... but one day an unlucky n00b nigerian is gonna be $50 out of pocket - I will make sure of it!

 

I may be new to Z32 Z but not new to Nissan sports cars or earlier Z.

just a comment on 260 2+2 not taken seriously sorry load of crap.

the 2+2 have outsold 2 seaters in its day and are coming back in price.

a running 260 2+2 will fetch around 5-7k rough body and interior. a bit better 10-12k. restored and very clean 15K+ very close to 260 2 seaters.

mine was valued by two different assesors 27K and 28k for a 260Z 2+2 based on today's market.

now back on topic.

Z32 will follow same path as 240z did. once the crapy ones die or get stored for parts it will return to higher prices like some guys suggested.

1. 240z 260z (s30) will be out of most peoples price range. they getting there slowly. rusty buckets fetch 3-5k.

2. 280zx seems to be little bit skipped but ive seen their prices increase in last 2 years. 240z 260 too exy closest is 280zx

3 u get the point how it goes.

i bought my Z32 prob in the C group. it runs and drives but needs some money spent on it. I paid prob group D price but intent to bring it to group A in next 6-12 months.

I knew what I was getting myself into and can do 98% work myself. but cheap Z is good = cheap parts for mine .Than other ppl like me bringing crappy z back to former glory uses up the crappy z and good Z prices go up.


at the moment don't intend in selling it but do believe that they hit very very low price and they prob go down another 1.5k for the crappy ones (closer to current Z31 prices) before they stop and start going the other way.

still i cannot believe for the money they go for even crappy ones u get lot of car for very little money.

so if u not in hurry to sell just hold on to it for few more years u be smiling same way i was smiling with my 260z, and even more with 2x 240z hiding in the shed at the moment.

also don't underestimate the drift queens from S12 all the way to S15 they be the next 1600 or RX in years to come.

S15 after 8 years of no longer in production still hold around 20k mark.

now i need bigger shed to buy more Z and S series cars. :zlove:

 

I did the same thing, looked around for years before I bought mine, ended up driving interstate to buy mine, don't regret it at all, WAYYYY to many bad examples out there, like the whole car market really, it isn't just our cars that are the example, or are immune to it either.

 

It really seems as though nothing is selling at the moment. and it all depends how urgent you need the money. are we in a recession yet??

 

I'm going to start by saying I feel Zed's are massively under valued in today's market but...

As with any "collectable" be it a car, comic or antique no matter what the market value is, it will only ever be worth what someone is willing to pay for it!
The absence of P platers in the turbo market has created a massive over supply of turbo jap imports. And when supply is greater than the demand prices have to be dropped for a sale.

Realistically though cars are not an investment, they're an expense and a depreciating asset. The only exception to this would be if the car is sitting in a museum then it might be worth holding on to.

Buy some gold instead it will hold it's value much better than a 20 year old car, it won't rust, and won't need any maintenance.

 

Exactly... it's funny to hear Zedders bitch about depreciation. If you want to know about depreciation go and buy a new car. 15-30% down the drain the moment you leave the car yard. I personally think the fact that Zeds are still selling upwards of $9K is a testament to their quality... most of the grey imports here are 20 years old. Cars like the 240z, E-type jags et al are the exception not the rule. If the Zed hadn't depreciated like it had 99% of us couldn't have afforded to buy one when we did anyway.

If you want to slap a $20K sticker on your windscreen because that's what you feel your car is worth good luck to you, on the other hand if you actually want to sell your car start by dividing that figure in half and then either add or minus dollars pending condition, kms and service history. I deliberately omitted mods from that list because frankly that's pissing into the wind when it comes to resale value.

I can't see Zed values going anywhere but further south.. provided you accept that there is no reason not to enjoy a relative performance bargain now.

 

In all honesty, the price of Z's might have gone up in the next 20 years if it weren't for the current abuse of precious Petroleum.

 

doesnt yours have a drift dent? haahha

 

ahh ok.

can you please forward the cash into this account.
acc name - K. nob
acc no. - 83275derp3327

and i will post the car in a zip lock bag to your desired state.

 

For the oldies like myself that remember the release of the Z32

it was nothing but incredible. These cars were up there with the Gods, very special machines in terms of design & power. The reviewers did not get it wrong for 6yrs of constant reviewing and patting the Z32 on the back each year. With time and flooding of the market and the younger generation who is used to 500hp Lambos/Ferraris/Porches/Huyndays from Top Gear now see the Z32 as 'Oh yea....' and also because they have been purchased for 50c. The Z32 is a well appointed vehicle with a very good blend of comfort, gimics and power. They are not by any means a sticks and stones mobile. For someone who has been around long enough with mechanical knowledge to perform repairs, knows some history and also paid serious money for them will always respect and look after them and will ask more than the average POS purchased for 50c. People who purchase these purely as pickup chick machines with no mechanical knowledge will move to the next value for money Supralike. Unless my Z is completely FU$#D it will never be sold for the crappy money they are going for nowadays, especially for the car that they are and the history they have. Not to mention when buying one, you are owing part of Z heratige which spans for decades now. To me that thought alone gave me a huge smile...:zlove::zlove: As far as the 350Z+ goes, look at it this way, if I found them inspiring I would have owned one but don't see the point really. Especially with no targas If anything the GTR is something but still other than bragging rights = BLAND.

What I'm trying to say at the end of the day is the Z32 is unique and it's price should reflect what it is.

Peter

 

Did you know that you can buy a 740IL BMW which someone paid $240,000 for back in 1996 (the average house price in Brisbane at the time was $80,000!!!), a car which has done 85,000 very genuine km's, full log books, never been in a paint shop & has literally spent most of its life in a very plush garage..... for $11,000. Let's face it, most Z's have been passed around more than a drunk virgin at Bronco's NYE party, most of the guys driving them now weren't even born when they rolled out of the factory, most of their speedos have probably been flicked at least 3 times in their 20 odd years & only a handful would still have their original paint. Even the best are carrying a bunch of fairly worn-out parts. The only people who really complain over the value of these cars are the few who have one up for sale. If you're looking to buy a Z, you love that the stuffed ones and the desperate sellers are keeping prices low, if your Z needs some parts - it's great there's always cheapies being parted out. I love Z's, love that there's cheap ones, good ones with cash-strapped owners who need to sell NOW and good ones with cashed-up owners!
Once all the cheap ones ARE gone, we'll all be bitching that no one's got any parts... If you don't like what people are offering - don't sell! And if you 'have to sell', it's only cause "you're out of money" and hell, if you're low on money - you shouldn't have bought a 20 year old sports car in the first place!!!!! Love them!

 

Love this - you're bang on champ. Even at $7k for the average Z they're doing well - A BMW 750IL which cost someone $300,000 in 1996 now sells for as little as $8k - so Z owners should be all smiles at current values (eg: selling a 1989 Z for $5000 would make most BMW owners very jealous!!!). The cheap ones are cheap because they're stuffed & even the 'really good ones' you could find $1000's needing to be spent on them if you try looking hard enough. I bought what most would consider a mint Z for $9k (it was a bargan) but now it almost owes me $28k and I'm still not finished throwing money at it!
Yeah, but I'm just F*<{;^g nuts!!!!!!!!!

 

If you reckon a Z32 is expensive and hard to fix. The 740iL is a black hole for cash.

The parts alone are incredibly steep in price. Magnificent to drive but its going to cost.

At least there are heaps of Z32 donor cars for the moment.