Zeds Dead and Imports alike (are also dead, effectively)

Discussion in 'Technical' started by Raheen, Dec 27, 2005.

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  1. Raheen

    Raheen Active Member

    With the introduction of the new importation systems namely RAWS, which restricts significantly the type of cars that can be imported from Japan and OS (I believe the 300 ZX is not allowed at all anymore)

    And given that to become certified to compliance a given import is almost impossible to get due to the test/requirements being crazy, the price of compliance (if you can find a guy to do your make/model, there are a heap of cars on the list that no one is approved to convert to australian standards anyway) is outrageous, Now combine this with the fact that the car being imported cant have any history of damage, or history of this or that (goverment knit picking) who they hell can import any nice cars in to this country and get it on the road?

    I find it very convenient that just as many Japanese makes and models are approaching 15 years old (hence they could be imported under the 15 year rule) the 15 year rule is then scraped for the almost impossible system above. Why you ask? the Zed was one of the first magnificent 1990s japanese sports cars hence they got in on the 15 year old rule. Now consider what other Japanese Sports care are turning 15 next year. umm from the top of my head Soarer/SC400 V6 TT, & V8, Mitsubishi GTO (first ones were 1990 i believe, but productions really got pumping in 1991), Good number of MR2's 2.0 litre (not the 1.6), Mazda RX7 (not sure on that), im sure there are a heap of others.

    PUNCH LINE

    Its a little bit funny that the scheme that allowed imports under reasonable terms and conditions is abolished just before the the bulk of the Japanese 1990's sports cars would qualify under this system.

    And what is it replaced with? a almost impossible system that costs a fortune to import anything.

    Convenient timing or just another display of the government trying to protect new Commonwhores and Fords (and the people who make them) from having to compete against cars that are 15 years old and still more technologically advance, efficient and a hell of a lot cheaper.

    The goverment will tell you its to protect the environment from these old japanese cars or some crap like that or to make the market a level playing field. What a load, its to protect the jobs of the guys who make the poorly designed and built GM and Ford fuel guzzling bricks.

    Safety concerns? people who own imports spend some much cash on them, keeping them in top condition is an obsession as many people on here will know, yet they government claims these cars are a safety risk due to build standard differences? any one seen a 30 year rusted out kingswood going around? datsum 120 y with a door missing? VC commonwhore that is half black due to the car burning 1L of engine oil to the kilometer?

    Spelling and Grammar mistakes aside, comments ppl???

    Am I missing anything?
     
  2. Ollie_J

    Ollie_J Member

    i think im missing the point, but yes um government bad..
     
  3. Raheen

    Raheen Active Member

    The Point

    Australian roads are littered with cars which can onlu be summed up as pieces of crap. We all see them. For gods sake some people cars remind me of the flintstones, the floors rusted out and they can use there feet for that few exta Km/h at the lights.

    Imports are cheaper, less fuel hungry and easily modified to met australian standards, look great, perform even better. The only problem is that they are too good, new australian made cars are what double the price for the same performance? So given that a shit load of 1990's Japanese sport cars are almost 15 years old now, the government shut down the 15 year rule, and then decides to make it all but impossible to import them and create some lame ass excuse for changing thre rules. Truth is they know if they didnt change the rules the country would be flooded with Soarers, SC400, GTOs, MR2's etc etc.
     
  4. J4Play

    J4Play New Member

    so they're trying to protect the local market.

    doesn't surprise me.
     
  5. ZX Clint

    ZX Clint ZX-Clint

    I agree,

    Take a localized look at this situation and it means we might miss out on a few trick sports cars for cheap.

    Now walk down to Holden and take the jobs away from everyone there, do the same at Ford, now head over to South Australia and take the jobs away from those Holden employees.

    Now watch the knock on effects of this, its huge. Protecting our local market? I'm glad our government does that. The automotive industry is massive business, any direct affects on this industry will cause huge knock on affects to individuals employed by them, supplies to them, etc etc.

    Dropping cheap imported cars on our roads, is hardly going to take away the now smaller and smaller group of troublesome cars. If those drivers are not spending the money on a new set of rings for the VC, i hardly see them forking out the dollars to replace a timing belt on 300ZX when its dropped in there lap at 95XXXkm's.

    All that aside, the 15year rule was nice for a while, it let a few cool cars in. But if the government saw long term economically affects of this rule causing a problem i'm glad it stepped in.
     
  6. Fate

    Fate Evil Genius

    :eek: sigh... Shame they aren't protecting our fruit growers though!!!!
     
  7. zedzter

    zedzter New Member

    I think this rule was also introduced at the request of japanese manufature

    s as well, because they wern't selling as many new cars as they liked to. Because alot of people were opting for the cheaper option of importing, rather then buying from the dealerships. It is also to protect the local bricks as well. I don't think that the person who buys a brand new car from the showroom floor is the same person who buys a 15 year lod zed. I never would of bought a brand new zed, even if i have the money, not because its not a good car, it is, but you lose too much money on brand new cars.
     
  8. Oni

    Oni Active Member

    Yep "bad Aussie government" BUT lets not forget

    the Japanese government is one of the most protectionist on the planet and any talk of a level playing field with the Japanese is pure pulp fiction.

    But yes I adore the place (read irezumi covered kimino wearing buxon girlie ninja who love aging fat Aussie boys)

    The laws have changed, shit happens ne!

    Cheers
    Geoff
     
  9. RedTT

    RedTT New Member

    Japan Connection

    How many of these types of threads will I be expected to see? Before questioning the government or anyone else for that matter, whats your interest in this.......a salesman perhaps :):):).

    Also in most instances I dont agree with teh government, however I certainly dont want Australia to be the worlds dumping ground of old cars. Although jap cars are generally good, they are not immune to the ravages of old age, as some of us here have experienced. Some with bad engines, bad body, odo wound back, coroded plugs, rusted wires, brittle plastics or worse.

    Cars currently in Australia (thats rusted and oft are downright junks) might not be registered (yes the gov is also trying to get those off our roads!!!!!) however there are those that would take the risk of driving an unregistered car.
     
  10. Raheen

    Raheen Active Member

    Old age you say?

    Old age??? the vast majority of Cars in Japan (weather they are rougly equivalent to the magna, falcon, commodore etc etc) are scraped after 7-8 years, there are very few cars in japan that are older 8 years, this is because the government has set up the whole industry like this. Cars older than 8 years are too expensive to keep on the road due to the maintenance and testing requirements impossed by the government to ensure that these vehicle are still in road worthy condition, so most japanese just get rid of them and buy a new car its quicker, cheaper and you get a new car.

    so if australia was flooded with a heap of 7-8 year old japanese cars that are built 99% to australian standards, that cost 5,000 grand and have about 40,000-50,000 K's on the clock. this would be a bad thing for the motoring public in Australia, think of all the rusted out shit heaps that the lower classes in australia have to drive, they could all be replaced cheaply and easily with far suprior vehicles.

    One problem, holden and ford re sales prices would fall sharply, hence no one would in the future go out an buy a new one know that the resale is going to be worse than it already is (at the momment it aint too crash hot) which would mean Holden and Ford workers get the bullet. Why are these guys protected from economic evils while a shit load of other people are not?

    seems stupid to me, but i think they government is just scared of the voter backlash in the car producing towns/cities.

    my 2 cents
     
  11. ZX Clint

    ZX Clint ZX-Clint

    hmm

    So the Japanese government ensures the car industry is vibrant and competitive for its domestic market.

    The government must have been thinking it would be good for economic growth, even had its environmental plus's.

    Funny that, the Japanese government setup the industry to promote economic growth,
    why is it so hard to believe the Australian government would not react to protect its economic growth?

    There is a bigger picture to this debate.
     
  12. Raheen

    Raheen Active Member

    Are you an ecomomist?

    Ok protect one industry namely car manufacturers in SA and Vic and all those who rely upon them.

    I suppose if you do that, you just doubled the cost of motoring for all citizens and companies who use car.

    umm i would have thoughts making every other business in australia who relies on cars more profitable would make them invest more in their respective industries *so they can make more money*(thus creating more jobs than the manufacturers ever did. Not to mentioned the extra disposible income families and automobile consumers would receive. maybe they could and stimulated the economy and create growth and expansion.

    so making holden and ford compete is doesnt help the greater community, highly unlikely.

    ohh buy the way i think i may have mentioned earlier that i lived in Japan, i was working for a financial instutional there as i majored in economics and finance at university (post grad level).
     
  13. CHILI

    CHILI Indestructable Target

    Scared????

    Humour me, I'm old.
    Please explain who is responsible for storing all the used vehicles (over 8 yrs old) and why(in a country that is so pressed for space that you may have to sleep in a "high-tech coffin" instead of a proper hotel room) they would bother. Surely not on the off-chance that Australia would introduce the "15 year rule".

    It's a wise thing you do, by NOT displaying any clue to where you live.

    You may find yourself being visited by your fellow Aussies (former car workers) wishing to thank you for your understanding and compassion, YOU FUCKWIT!!!
     
  14. Noxter69

    Noxter69 New Member

    I want a 15 year old NSX! :thumbsup:
     
  15. CHILI

    CHILI Indestructable Target

    What a pity you didn't have time to study common sense.

    Didn't they have a spell-checker?:wacko::wacko:

    I've said it before, but I'll say it again, "Self praise, is NO recommendation".:thumbsdown::thumbsdown::thumbsdown::embarrassed:
     
  16. Raheen

    Raheen Active Member

    Who said life is easy?

    well we can coccoon the motor industry and the traveling publics expense or when can benefit everyone else, the other 19.5 million people in australia.

    lets see protected 500,000 car workers who double the cost of cars for the other 19.5 million people. or slash the cost of cars buy a 30% or maybe 40%, hmmm which is better for the majority. Last time i looked this was a democracy as in group rule, ummm group benefit. i think 19.5 million is a decent majority wouldnt you agree?
     
  17. Raheen

    Raheen Active Member

    you chipping my english abilites?

    you sad old fuck, got my point across thus i was effective communicating, so who gives a shit about a type o, shows you are petty and losing the argument. this shows again when you get nasty and start throwing names around.
     
  18. Shifter

    Shifter Active Member

  19. Raheen

    Raheen Active Member

    15 year old, 60 grand

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    damn expensive for a 15 year old car. very nice though......

    check out the details here

    http://www.carsensor.net/cgi-bin/CS/CSFBU050.cgi?STID=CS210610&TRCD=TR012_NAV&BKKN=E210A07177&SHOP=203106004E

    gambatte, nihon go de wa chotto musakashi deshou ne!
     
  20. CHILI

    CHILI Indestructable Target

    Thank God for Economists.

    When you slash 30-40% off the car manufactures Balance Sheet, just what sort of value-for-money vehicles are you going to force onto the "long suffering 19.5 million"?? Ohh! Of course! 15yr old Japanese Imports that haven't been considered worthy for use in Japan, for at least 7-8 years!
    Silly me!! :embarrassed::embarrassed::embarrassed:
     
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