Whats wrong with my VG?

Discussion in 'Non Technical' started by waynoz, Apr 4, 2013.

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  1. kakaboy

    kakaboy New Member

    Yeah , I been out enjoying my zed for a change :p , also new GF has kept me busy lol :D
     
  2. waynoz

    waynoz New Member

    Nice!!
     
  3. lico

    lico New Member

    Heres some info on the swap, verifiable by three others including two qualified mechanics of 10-15+ years who did the lions share of technical work.

    - Wayne paid $550 for this whole tt motor, and was told it was taken from a running car with slight white smoke from left bank. He was asked if he wanted us to strip it down and inspect or clean the injectors since it had been sitting for many years, but told us to just install it.

    -upon installation 4 injectors were blocked and so we had to clean then, this was charged at an hourly rate. (by the way the hourly rate for the ENTIRE job was $25-35 per hour).

    -The car ran fine after this on 6 cylinders until the 1-2 litres fuel remaining ran out (we hadn't thought there would be -that- little fuel left in it when we dropped it off for conversion, tight bastard running it on empty aye...) after which point the sludge from the bottom of the tank was obviously sucked up and through the fuel system, blocking said injector. We explained this to Wayne and he told us simply that he would take it from there.

    - Waynes "price" that he is quoting includes ALL the parts supplied for the conversion including a TT manual gearbox, flywheel, clutch, exhaust, carbon canister,oil cooler, ac parts all brand new hoses and vacuum lines etc, -apart- from the turbos which he purchased himself for $1500 IIRC, and also includes
    a full 100,000km service and plenum pull with bypasses and deletes.
    It includes setting up motor with the turbos and manifolds etc with all new lines and galleries cleaned.
    It also includes a full TT brake upgrade including calipers, rotors, pads, fluid all bled.
    It also includes his dash removed and a good one supplied and refitted (some interior trim not fitted, job 95% complete before he told us to stop) big job..
    It includes installing and setting up an electronic boost controller and installing a boost gauge within his cluster.

    There is a VERY long list of parts supplied for the conversion, which includes basically EVERYTHING needed apart from the turbos which he supplied. Overall his labour cost I believe was under 3500, which is what Graham charges for a TT conversion in LABOUR not including all the extra work we did.

    We didnt see ANY money until 95% of the job was finished, at which point the work stalled as Wayne refused to pay dozens of times, tried numerous underhanded techniques to avoid paying or take his car, threatened to take us to court, tried re-negotiating the hourly rate (which was more than reasonable), slandered and abused us and generally ****ed us around.

    Waynes claims in this thread are by and large deceptive, misleading and most often directly untruthful. His "diagnosis" are his simply repeating what have told him clearly beforehand. His description of the process is specifcally tailored and remodelled so that we seem incompetent and he seems reasonable, I assure you that the OPPOSITE is true.

    There are mountains of text messages and private messages to demonstrate Wayne's borderline bipolar nature and absolutely appaling behaviour towards us. The job details for this conversion CAN be made public, including every single part supplied and it's cost, every hour worked and on what (at the average rate of $25per hour which more often than not included two people working for the one rate). You will not find a cheaper quote for parts and labour anywhere, ever.

    In addition, we have provided parts and labour UPFRONT, at our cost, and with no progress payments to only be rewarded with this bullshit.

    I have many documented examples of Waynes dishonesty, here are a few:

    His NA gearbox for sale, upon draining the oil was found to have a good litre of pure metal filings. Wayne watched this and was told that the gearbox is ****ed and should not be sold. Instead he sold it as a "running box" despite our advice.

    When trying to "part out" the car that was unfinished, he gallishly listed items that we had provided to him (and he had not yet paid for) at more than double what we were charging him.

    The PTU was absolutely NOT hanging in the engine bay and the loom connections were routed correctly, there was NO contact between a belt and loom cable (how is this even possible?) so this is something which has happened SINCE his touching the car.

    When we called Wayne to tell him the car was running, the car was running fine.
    10 minutes idling later upon moving the car the petrol ran out and it lost an injector.
    We notified him of this but he came anyway.
    Wayne refused our fixing this problem and said that he would take it from here.

    Please, I know many other people who have dealt with Wayne and his particular brand of bullshit, don't take what he's saying at face value as this is one of the most manipulative and deceitful people I have ever had to deal with. Unfortunately he has an uncanny knack for suckering people in, hence Noel letting him getting away with bullshit for so long. I am only barely scratching the surface of Waynes character and would rather not have to bring up the entire -painful- ordeal. He has put Noel through hell over the last 6 months that his car was taking up most of Noel's garage, and nearly put him off Zeds altogether.

    If anyone wants to discuss this or needs any futher details I can be contacted on 0448833823. I have done four succesful TT conversions now and owned 8 zeds, I know what I'm doing and you'll find that I can give any details regarding this job without sounding like the uninformed and technically challenged idiot that started this thread.
     
  4. ed300zx

    ed300zx Active Member

    I knew I came back here for a reason.
     
  5. lico

    lico New Member

    Just checked with Noel, his labour charge was only $2500 this included:

    TT engine conversion
    Plenum pull
    100k service and rear main
    Full brake swap rotors pads calipers, bleed
    Dash swap
    Old turbos removed new turbos setup
    Gauges and senders installed
    EBC installed
    flywheel machine
    ecu chipped and eprom chip
    sourcing ALL parts

    The rest of the cost was in PARTS and the total cost was about $4500 INCLUDING PARTS, LABOUR AND ALL EXTRA WORK DONE.

    If anyone wants to argue with this price I'd be happy to fill out your application for mental rehabilitation.
     
  6. waynoz

    waynoz New Member

    can mods delete these last few reply's please, I'm tired of this immature bullshit.

    this thread has nothing to do with any business between Noel and I havent mentioned anything other facts other than to do with the history of the engine.

    anyone who wants to play these games please **** OFF, and leave me alone to fix my god damned ****ing Zed in peace.

    the cost includes 4300 to noel plus almost 2000$ in parts that i personally bought from Coz during the time the zed was at noels, plus 2200 lost to brytechs failed attempt at securing me a TT. all up it has cost me close on 9000$ just to get 1 ****ing TT conversion, dealing with 2 people who had no ****ing idea what they were doing,

    and that is why Noel had 2 other people working on my zed when the agreement was for HIM ONLY to be working on my Z which he led me to believe he knew what he was doing.

    but I dont give a flying ****,,
    stay out of my thread so i can fix my ****"ING ZED!!!!


    Cheers
     
  7. waynoz

    waynoz New Member


    look mate, i dont know who the **** you are but you don't know **** all..

    the labour was 2500 and did not include any of that shit... all up the bill was 4300$ including all his old bullshit parts.

    it would have been 4k, but after he installed it and his 'working motor' DIDNT ****NIG WORK.. he CHARGED ME and extra 300$ to fix the injectors which didnt work becuase the engine that was OUT OF A RUNING Z, had been sitting around for 'i dont know because i'm a ****head so it might have been sitting around for 5 year'

    THAT IS NOT OUT OF A RUNNING ZED YOU ****ING MORON!!!!! THAT IS AN OLD ****NIG ENGINE THAT WILL BE ****ED!!!!

    so i paid even $300 to fix injectors that havent been fixed, had dirt and all kinds of shit in the injector hole,

    the ptu was sitting against the ****ing belt so it ate through a wire and caused spark which probably could have damaged the ecu,
    vac hoses were basically sitting about 5mm away from the fan.

    I wasnt going to complain about Noel is this thread and i was over all this bullshit!!!

    MODS, Please Delete all these comments since my last reply to Kakaboy and any other comments that are NOT RELATED TO WHY I HAVE THIS THREAD!!

    I really thought we had moved on from all these games....
     
  8. lico

    lico New Member

    No, you just don't want to be outed for your bullshit.

    The way you've conducted yourself in this thread is LIBEL which is ILLEGAL. We do lots of work for other people and for the to be put off by your lies is damaging to livlihoods.
     
  9. lico

    lico New Member

    The motor DID run, the injectors get gummed up after sitting for ages as other people in this thread have pointed out. It DID work and the injectors WERE cleaned.

    Since it ran out of petrol the fuel pickup sucks the crap from the bottom of the tank up which then blocks them again which is the shit you may (or may not) have found in them.

    The motor is not ****ed, it's running. Stop talking shit.
     
  10. waynoz

    waynoz New Member

    this is bullying man, please **** off :)
     
  11. lico

    lico New Member

    So you've admitted that the entire cost for a TT conversion supplied and fitted was 4300? thats already absurdly cheap

    IT WAS HOWEVER INCLUDING

    TT motor, gearbox, clutch, flywheel, exhaust, ac gear, carbon canister, plenum pull and deletes, 100k service, full brake swap, dash swap, gauges etc etc

    How you can lie and say this work wasn't done is just beyond me. We both know this work was done and you were charged for it, the gall of you to just blatantly lie to whatever end is frightening.
     
  12. lico

    lico New Member

    I love the "oh shit, the truth!" reaction where you quickly try and have it censored (removed) before anyone finds out how bogus you are.

    Report it, I will talk to mods and continually post it again as long as your slanderous version of events exists to discredit us.
     
  13. waynoz

    waynoz New Member

    dude, F off..

    all up the TT swap has cost me 6000$ with noel taking 4300$

    for 6k, i could have had the swap done from a lot of other people and I would have a well tuned running TT sitting out the front instead of something I am still spending more money on to back track over things that could have been preventable if it was done by someone more competent.

    the agreement was for NOEL to be doing the swap, why it turned into him, a mate and a qualified mechanic is onsurd and against our agreement.

    Noel and I had a business agreement, one that he stuck to for a whole 5 mintues and quite frankly this was none of your or anyone elses business and I have not mentioned it other than to ascertain the possiblilty of the general history and health of the block.

    I'm not picking a fight with anyone, but I do know that if i was going to chose someone to work on my Z again, Noel would definately Not be that person. I have nothing against him, and he has put a lot of effort into the swap and put himself out a lot to try and help, but he was not a competent person to be doing the work and that is why he had to employ other people to help him.

    that is the honest truth of it, and I'm sure any self respecting Z owner who respected their z would agree that if you are going to pay peanuts to backyarders to work on your Zed, you have to antipate some of this bullshit. and that is exactly who noel is, he is a far from qualified backyarder who has gotten paid more than his worth for his labour and whatever parts he pulled out of many of his wrecks to put in my TT, we arent talking about off the shelf immaculate parts that have been put in, other than the parts that I personally bought from Coz and delivered to Noel there were off the shelf knew, but other than that, most of the parts noel has sold me, througout the last 3 months have come up on this forum as FREE TO GOOD HOME parts so he has made a good profit on parts as well.

    he got a good deal out of this walking away with 4 grand while I still don't have anywhere near a running zed, but i was happy to take it, because quite honestly, I didnt want him or anyone he knows to be touching my Zed again. his duty of care was poor, he has damaged my gaurd, the paint that was good on both front gaurds is now irepairable and the grease left on them for 5 months has eaten through the clear coat, I have no alternative but to respray both front gaurds.
    he damaged and chipped the paint on the bonnet, and he damaged the paint on the strut tower when he dropped the engine turbo bolt onto it during installing which i watched happen, when i pointed out the bolt was hitting the tower, he pulled the engine across scratching what was good paint on that tower, instead of lifting up the engine and doing it properly.

    i gave him immaculately painted brakes taht he left face down on his driveway for weeks before he installed them, then blamed me for 'not supplying them to him in a box'

    the damage he has done to what was not a bad zed apart from the hatch and the front bar would cost almost 800$ alone to have the gaurds and the bonnet properly painted and fixed. I don't even know how he got the dent in one of the front wheel arches.

    the quality of his work was poor at best, I appreicated that he covered my car in a tarp, but his work had already done enough damage to my car that a tarp wasnt going to protect it much.


    I don't mind Noel as a person, and I have nothing against him, nor do i want to destroy his reputation, but the truth is the truth, he did a lot of things wrong with my car that i have every right to by unhappy about, and he should have done a compression test like I asked him to do.


    please leave it at that, and stay out of my thread, I am tired of all the bullshit I have to deal with when I post threads trying to interact with some of the better people on this forum.

    I don't know who you are either, and so far i have no reason to have anything against you, but I think its best taht you leave noels business between him and myself. because in almost 5 months i have spoken to noone but him about my zed, so it would be impossible for anyone else to have any idea about the context of anything that is said regarding the work done on my Z.

    Regards,
     
  14. lico

    lico New Member

    You're now just blatantly attacking him and saying he damaged your car?

    Is this the same gaurd that claimed Noel damaged, but in actual fact had arrived badly damaged and you had told him earlier that you took your zed offraod in the You Yangs? The same place you split the weld on your radiator support?

    Your brake calipers may have got MINIMAL damage but they were NOT painted professionally and 2PAC paint is NOT suitable for brake calipers which are going to get all manner of stones hit them ANYWAY.

    They are CALIPERS not dinner plates, how you expect them to reamin "immaculate" (they weren't) is beyond me.

    There is no paint damage to your guards which was not already there, and no "grease" does not "eat through clearcoat".

    The extent of your incompetency is actualyl astounding, at least use stories that could have actually happened if you're going to lie about how something got damaged.
     
  15. waynoz

    waynoz New Member

    did i metion that the gearbox that i paid more for than the one i was selling had a lot of trouble changing into any gears.

    even after noel drove it he said 'he called the mechanic to make sure he put oil in the gearbox' which tells me, he drove it and it seemed to be as ****ed as when i tried driving it, so ****ed that he thought it had no oil.

    so awesome parts he has put in my zed.

    I could say a lot worse about him and the work done, But just leave it.
    whats done is done.
    this thread is so i can get help to fix the Zed myself and so far with the help I am getting its coming along quite nicely.

    I'd still appreciate it if mods could delete all comments back to 107, I would really appreciate it if I didnt have another thread become another source of forum entertainment! at least not until I book a bbq and buy some meat packs....
     
  16. lico

    lico New Member


    Oh is this the "business agreement" where you thought that the cost was going to be "a grand" for the TT conversion? I do remember you repeating that alot, but you'd have to be a special type of fool to have somehow got that idea.

    You clearly had no idea of the extent of labour involved in the swap, or the costs. Maybe this is because (and this is only based on your questionable testimony) Bryan quoted you $700 for the swap?

    Here's a hint mate, a workshop will charge $6000 minimum in labour for this swap, and a garage job starting at $3500 in LABOUR.

    You have the entire thing minus turbos SUPPLIED AND FITTED for $4300. And you had qualified mechanics working on it. Yes Noel sold you the swap, but that doesn't mean it's only him working on it and he is FAR from incompetent. I don't see how it's any of your busines if he pays other people to work for him, that's his business.

    For the record, Noel did not walk away with 4 grand. He supplied motor box and all parts which was around 1500-2000, and then paid others, so he probably walked away with abou $500. And he did AT LEAST 50 hours work, probably much more, plus storing your car in his driveway or 6 months or so.

    You got done a massive favour, and you're acting the victim.
     
  17. waynoz

    waynoz New Member

    That is Correct, Yes.






    yes, for the jury and those in the audience, it is the very same gaurd.

    the gaurd, for the record, had a slight crease in the front from when I did damage it at the you yangs. now it has completely ****ed paint, a dent in the wheel arch that was not there prior to going to Noels, and paint chipped from where the bonnet was loosely placed on the car.

    I am not desputing that the gaurd had a slight crease, but that is no excuse for any more damage occuring through Noels 'Care'

    next question..
     
  18. Wildzx

    Wildzx New Member

    Of course I know what I'm doing, it is not skill or knowledge I lack, it's time, as I work full time and have a pregnant wife and two children who like to spend some time with this father instead of having him outside working on someone's car who doesn't appreciate the work. I had the help because it meant I could get twice the amount of work done in the same time. The hourly rate I charged was $35 per hour, the mechanic was paid $25 per hour for his work leaving $10 per hour for me. I charged it this way to help you out in getting the work cheap as you seemed like a nice bloke at the time.
    Lico's account of the facts is accurate, I have everything documented and all Wayne's abusive texts on my phone which I can make available to anyone who cares.
    I have been threatened which court action when I wouldn't allow Wayne take his car when he still owed about 2 grand in parts and labour and had previously refused to pay. Everyone I spoke to said to not allow him to take it as he was obviously trying to avoid paying even though I was charging a very little amount for the amount of work he wanted.
    I told you what was wrong with the car as it was obviously the injector but you still started this thread which I suspect was so you could gain sympathy for your ordeal even though you have been a nightmare to deal with.
     
  19. waynoz

    waynoz New Member

    Yes, things do tend to take longer when you don't know what you are doing.


    if he had of been quicker it would have only taken him a month, but he kept telling me he needed me to buy very costly new parts from coz and then we had to wait for weeks for the packages to arrive...


    next question...
     
  20. waynoz

    waynoz New Member

    I appreciate that Noel, Im glad you can finally be a man about it and we can put all of this behind us,
    I appreciate the work that you have done properly, and the time that you have put into it, even though the result wasnt quite what we had hoped.

    Good luck with the new baby!!!

    Regards
     
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