Firstly, I am not attempting to put you on the spot. Are you saying that you will not fit any part to a customers car, that has not been tested(and has passed)the relevant standards required by the authorities governing such use or fitment(Virtually ALL aftermarket items on sale)?
As stated earlier, bonez's car is not low, and I'm sure you wouldn't consider your car too low either. I'm just saying that lowness isn't the cause IMO. What IS the cause? That is yet to be determined. :zlove:
It's happening on cars that require greater Camber adjustment, so obviously there are other factors affecting the Camber.
no problem with the question. I would fit a part based on faith i have in the manufacturer that it would have been made well and that some testing would have been done. again my posts in this thread are not directed at UAS but at any aftermarket company, i do recall a suspension failure you had lloyd from a well respected japanese supplier. I may not have worded my post clearly but i was trying to get across that is the reason that i personally dont design and make a FUCA because i am unable to test them in a fashion that i feel is necessary for a component of that nature.
In saying this, would this mean that for example BoneZ would have been better off buying the "track" version of these rather than the "street" version? (i'm assuming this track version has a different geometry that allows for quite low cars to be adjusted without as much thread exposed?) ...btw, excuse my ignorance if this is a silly question, as i haven't been through the original for sale thread of these arms, so i don't know the difference between the two. I'm mainly asking as maybe there could be a recommendation for lowered cars to go the "track" version that requires less adjustment possibly
What so many people are completely overlooking If a pilot crashes a plane in to the side of a mountain sometimes they will ground the fleet until the figure out the cause but sometimes they don't. For example if they know he screwed up and ran out of fuel then there is no need to ground the fleet for human error is there. Maybe the arms pictured in this thread are not fitted to a low car, they have however been extended (apparently) beyond the intended extension. This may be due to a fault in the chassis of the car or a design flaw. What ever the problem is it needs to be identified and as far as I am aware that is what UAS are up to. You would think if there were a serious issue then maybe we might see more than one set pictured here bent, there are reports of how many exactly?, how many were fitted to lowered cars?, how many were frequently angle parked against the curb?, how many have a seriously rough road to contend with regularly?, how many were used in motor sport events, how many only had road use? NO ONE CAN ANSWER because NO ONE has that information, do you think Toyota recalls thousands of cars because they see one car do something strange? there has to be a trend before they will act and without a database of some sort you CAN NOT see the trend and identify likely causes of the fault. Opinions DO NOT FIX PROBLEMS, Opinions create politics and media hype. Opinions without any real data are just worthless talk and the base for pointless internet forum discussions allowing for flawed witch hunts . Of all the arms that have been fitted to these cars over the years with all the various types of design and failures that have occurred I've NEVER EVER seen one fail catastrophically and put a car&driver at risk, only ever worn bushes, cracks and bent threads. Never ever a complete snap bang crash fiery Hollywood inferno, why do some of the "experts act as if this will happen now?" As far as I am aware these arms were tested prior to being put on the market and there was never any inference that they should be put on the market on the road for testing. The comment made about R&D refers to what you do if you have a product that goes bad, R&D is sometimes a continuous thing that goes far beyond the first few customers - we would all be driving Model T Fords otherwise wouldn't we. Hell if I were UAS I would possibly recall the whole lot and never sell any suspension parts to Z32 owners, heck if you do and something goes wrong it seems you are to blame before anyone even knows what actually caused the fault.
Ahh, thanks Mungy, so going that option would in fact be counter-productive in aiding BoneZ's issue. Thanks for clarifying that for me.
Thanks for the clarification rollin. As I have stated in this, and several other threads, I have had a series of unpleasant failures of aftermarket items fitted to my car during the past 10 years. This would hardly result in me becoming an advocate of such items, so it needs to be understood that my support of JP/UAS in regards to the UCA problem, is based largely on the fact that he(JP)has ALWAYS stood behind any such failure(and continues to do so). Any suggestion that they would knowingly sell a substandard or dangerous item is totally out of the question in my personal experience(and I am yet to be convinced otherwise).
Exactly my point! Most R&D is carried out in everyday usage and feedback from consumers. In the case of UAS, JP is an enthusiast/user of many of his own products(as are his friends and close associates). He is also a former Police Officer who has seen first-hand the results of serious accidents(hardly the sort of background that would lead one to be careless in matters of public safety).
I would never suggest or currently accept that UAS would knowingly sell a part that they knew would fail. so im with you there
If UAS need any measurements or info regarding this car, give me a call as it is still up in the air on my hoist. FYI, KYB AGX, Kings SL, Whiteline bars, Rose jointed tension rods, wheel alignment, new tyres/wheels all fitted during thew past 5 years however it has only been on the road for almost 12 months and travelled under 10,000km in that time. The UAS arms were fitted a few months after being put on the road. There is no cracking in the lower rad support to indicate heavy back and forth loading of the suspension and no seam sealer lifting in the inner wheel wells to indicate excessive side loading. If needed, I can run a tape over the engine bay and suspension pick up points to check for dimension. The factory arms with concentric bushes that were fitted prior show no signs of wear and these have travelled unknown km prior to removal. Camber is set to max factory spec, there is no tyre wear indicating other issues.
Hi Eric, That sounds very similar to my setup. I'm sure JP would be very happy to have access to any additional information that may throw light on why this random situation is occurring. As I stated earlier, it seems to be confined to those arms which are extended to the maximum length. My car has a ride height of 665mm from road to top centre of the wheel arch(all round)which hardly suggests that it is severely lowered. I am running 235/40/18 on 8" rims(front)with 35 offset and rose-jointed Tune Agent Tension Rods(lower radiator support has been reinforced after discovering some signs of cracking, two years ago).
FFS please use some logic, if anyone is politicising its you. So many of your points are seriously flawed and lacking in incite and smack of an objective other then the most important issue of safety. Quiet frankly I think the majority couldn't give a toss "why" they failed, people buy a product for its intended purpose, not to be part of an R&D team. Whilst I am sure people will provide information to assist in a resolution, I am sure they would be happier if they didn't have to. In this thread Chilli reported his failed approx November 2010 and "Dinoz reported this problem not long after Warrick Nationals" April 09, 2 years ago, its actually spelt Warwick but that's not important. Im not sure if Dinoz were the same design as the GB distributed December 09, Now BoneZx has reported a failure, that's at least 3 out of a very small number, that we know about, hopefully its not an iceberg situation where we have only seen 10% of the problem, but there will be a multiplication factor of what has been reported so far you can count on that. The problem needs to be public knowledge at the very least, what if BoneZx's failure lead to a catastrophe, would people pop up and say "hey I new about a potential problem 6 months ago" probably not. This would have to be one of most arrogantly dangerous statements I have ever read on this forum. If there had been a catastrophic failure it wouldn't be in your workshop it would probably be in a wrecking yard, only cracks and bent threads ? well that's OK then :rofl: and since you have never seen the next step of a failure, I guess that means it cant happen. :rofl: And I guess you would allow cars back on the road with cracks or bent threads as you have never seen it to be a problem and there is no risk, remind me never to let you work on my cars. Shear stupidity from an attempt at politicising and down playing a very serious issue. The on going problem is that cars fitted with this product can be sold to unwitting new owners. I have seen enough to consider aftermarket replacement suspension components for road use to be shear stupidity and with total disregard to safety, they need to be engineer approved to be fitted in Queensland and this is probably the out for manufacturers, that they were illegally fitted. I pose why do some self proclaimed "experts" claim it wont happen ? Here's an infamous suspension failure resulting in a fiery inferno of the great Niki Lauda, its not Hollywood, this is real life sunshine, Niki was back in the car 39 days latter to take 4th at Monza, complete legend. I wonder what Niki Lauda would think of your perspective of suspension safety. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWksORxA9l0
Get over yourself mate Pointing fingers and calling rip that shit out doesn't fix anything at this point, stop having a crack at my standards, skills and personality because you disagree. People will be able to see what has happened here and check the condition of their arms then make a call as to if they should come out or not and report back to UAS if they feel the need. All I have said is we need to figure out WHY this has happened and then go about sorting it out - can you not see that? how do you expect the problem to be fixed if you don't know what has caused the problem??? I never said do not remove them did I? I never said there is nothing wrong with them did I? IN FACT I actually told several people when these were first released that they would fail exactly the way they have done. Why did I not post that here? - Because to many idiots with opinions and no knowledge would come on in and argue about it [TIS] But hey you go keep making big statements about my knowledge of safety and workmanship etc THAT will really help things out HEAPS As for "If there had been a catastrophic failure it wouldn't be in your workshop it would probably be in a wrecking yard," Yes you are right but also there would have been information circulated to workshops doing warrant of fitness checks to keep an eye out for such arms failing or cracking etc. As I have been doing these and read all the books I can assure you there has been no such thing in NZ at least I have no political motive here Mr I would just like to see the problem solved rather than put in the to hard basket.
You have completely missed the point, that every single one of us who fit aftermarket Brakes, Springs, Suspension Arms, Tailshafts, Air Filters, HID Headlights and a plethora of other items to our cars, do so in the knowledge that such items are not acceptable to Licensing/Registration Authorities UNLESS TESTED AND ISSUED WITH THE RELEVANT CERTIFICATION, so it is we who have to accept some of the blame if something goes wrong. Should we be concerned? YES Should we check the condition of the suspect item? YES Should we contact the manufacturer/supplier? YES Should we expect that organization to rectify the problem? YES Is the organization concerned taking responsibility for items that show failure? YES Has every such item produced by this company failed? NO(very few in fact). Is the company pursuing a solution to address the re-design of failed items? YES Has anyone been refused a claim for such failure? NO Am I to be banned for continuing this debate? WHO KNOWS?:rofl: All else is bum-fluff(including comparison to F1 accidents involving fire). Sensationalism at it's worst.IMHO.
what a massive argument this thread is . Why dont you all just put $1 woth of washers behind the factory arms and save the hastle . Dont all aftermarket arms fail eventualy , they just need constant inspection to see how they are going so not really ideal for a road car .
Funny how the arguments are always because of opinions rather than facts. And shit while we are at it I might as well link this: http://www.300zx.co.nz/phpBB2/viewt...ys=0&postorder=asc&highlight=uas+arms&start=0 I will publicly apologise right now to UAS if they are offended by what I posted there, it is an opinion more than fact and seeing as it's mine if John wants to kick me in the balls then fair enough :rofl: Might put a damper on some peoples dreams of hidden agenda etc EDIT: not directed at your post silver 300zx
