Shannons won't insure my car for Track days...

Discussion in 'Non Technical' started by Lil' Baz, Jan 31, 2011.

  1. Lil' Baz

    Lil' Baz I Love Skeptics!!!

    Spoke with Shannons today about insurance coverage for my Zed during the Track Events at Goulburn's Nissan/Datsun Nationals...

    Apparently they no longer cover non-"CLASSIC" vehicles for track events, and wouldn't give me a clearly defined definition of what exactly entailed a "CLASSIC" vehicle... :mad:

    I would have thought that as the leading insurer of high-performance vehicles in Australia, Shannons would be all over encouraging track days as a safe alternative to the stupidity that is street-racing... :confused:

    Apparently not...

    Very, very disappointing... :(

    Perhaps I'll just take my speed to the streets like the off-centre baseball cap, burn-out tyre wearing VL Commodore types and wipe out myself, my car and a family with young children... :rolleyes:

    :br:

    Seriously though, what are those of you who are entering the track events doing for insurance?

    Lil' Baz..... :zlove:
     
  2. rob260

    rob260 Administrator Staff Member

    I'll be very surprised if you can find an insurer who will cover you for track events.

    If it ever got wrecked at the track first thing you do is tow it out to the street. Seriously.
     
  3. ZXDEVIL

    ZXDEVIL Active Member

    This. lol.. I didn't think any companies would insure for racing?
     
  4. heavytrevy

    heavytrevy "Hammer time "

    lol im sure the accident investigator they assign to ur case will have u for fraud among other charges.

     
  5. URHYNS

    URHYNS Well-Known Member

    . . . it's aaaalllll in the details my friend...
     
  6. rob260

    rob260 Administrator Staff Member

    Eh I don't think they get that far into it.

    My old man has been racing for years and I know this was done at least once at Oran Park (not his car).

    I have been involved in two write offs (one my fault many years ago, the second more recent and other driver at fault) and there was no accident investigator assigned to either case.... At worst the police are involved and ask you how fast were you going and why did you crash. Possible neg driving charge if you claim to have hit a stationary object. That's it...
     
  7. Vader

    Vader Just another guy

    classic car

    The Classic Car Club of America defines a CCCA Classic as follows:
    A CCCA Classic is a "fine" or "distinctive" automobile, either American or foreign built, produced between 1925 and 1948... Other factors, including engine displacement, custom coachwork and luxury accessories, such as power brakes, power clutch, and "one-shot" or automatic lubrication systems, help determine whether a car is considered to be a Classic.[1]
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classic_car

    Unfortunately, the definition depends upon the market (AU, UK, US).
     
  8. Madcow

    Madcow Active Member

    from what i know thats fairly standard.


    i think its a case of everyman for himself.
     
  9. Tektrader

    Tektrader Z32 Hoe, service me baby

    1) remove or tape over plates at ALL track days

    2) always have phone number of local tow truck. (or freind with tow rope/trailer and tow car)

    3) prepick a spot where you could possibly have an accident.

    4) Bring mobile phone and dark glasses and hat ( diguise)


    Issue solved :eek::D
     
  10. BADZX

    BADZX Grumpy old fart


    NOT CRASHING
    :rofl:

    fairly simple really, I push only as hard as I need to :cool:

    a win by 10cm is better than winning by 10m :br:
    driving it home is better than being driven home :br:



    The old saying we all know....

    to finish first, first you have to finish

    crashing sort of rules that out
    ;)

    Kingy
     
  11. CHILI

    CHILI Indestructable Target

    I am no stranger to "Track Events", but in all honesty, I have never known a time whilst pursuing such events, that insurance was available or affordable.:confused:
    BTW, I am a Shannons customer.
     
  12. WhiteNight

    WhiteNight Littering and...

    I know a bloke that went to jail for doing just that. It was a new Porsche. Maybe he should have tried the jacket and dark glasses.

    In seriousness, nobody will cover you for a track event. It's the good old days at your own risk, nobody will cover your precious property on your behalf while you race.
     
  13. WhiteNight

    WhiteNight Littering and...

    Lil baz your attitude is poor aswell. Your blaming a 3rd party for you not being able to accept responsibility on your behalf while you want to race. Instead you say they want to encourage you to race on the street. This is not the case, you just have a poor attitude.

    If you want to use your car in a higher risk environment then grow a pair and have some responsibility that if you damage your precious car, this is your fault. Nobody wants you to race on the street, your just not mentally equipped to understand that car racing is not your right.
     
  14. ryzan

    ryzan Black Mesa? Fat chance...

    Slightly ot, but what actually happens if you're at fault in an accident at a track day? Same as in the real world I'd presume, you're hit with some big bill for somebody elses track car :eek:
     
  15. CHILI

    CHILI Indestructable Target

    Insurance Policies are a form of gambling.
    In this case, you bet you will crash and need to make a claim(the price of the bet is the Insurance Premium).
    Shannons(or any other company)bet that you will NOT crash or claim, and so they take the bet(and the premium).
    They obviously have less confidence in you, than you do, and so they refuse to take the bet.
    It has always been thus!
     
  16. CHILI

    CHILI Indestructable Target

    Actually no.
    Everybody out there is expected to accept liability for being stupid enough to risk their lives and/or their machinery, ergo, you wear the responsibility for your own losses(it's part of the risk you take by being there).
    Unusual I know, not being able to blame someone else for your own stupidity.:p:rolleyes:
     
  17. Madcow

    Madcow Active Member

    if you just jump out there, are curtious of other racers you shouldnt have an issue, I suggest, if you wanna lay down some fast laps, choose a time when there is minimal cars out. but TBH, you are probably going to run the car off the track before you hit someone else.
     
  18. URHYNS

    URHYNS Well-Known Member



    Bit harsh there Guys... I mean, I see exactly what you mean, and I'm sure he does too, but you must admit, if there is any way we can protect our pride and joy, we'd all jump at the opportunity, even when knowingly taking a risk. Wouldn't you?
     
  19. Martin Williams

    Martin Williams Well-Known Member

    Its just like the stock market! you have to be prepared to lose your investment if things really go wrong. Insurance Companies have no control of what you do on the track, once the "red mist" comes down.
     
  20. CHILI

    CHILI Indestructable Target

    Exactly, if everybody could be relied upon to act carefully, responsibly and fairly, there would be minimal risk of damage to property or life.
    Experience has shown this to be a tad altruistic, hence the need for Rules, Regulations and Laws.
    Can you imagine just how far some people would "push the envelope" if they knew that they had absolutely no chance of having to wear the resultant cost?
    Mad Max all over again X2.:eek::eek:
     

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