For Sale guidelines

We are planning to introduce a number of classifieds section guidelines, which we would like some discussion on here to see what members would like to see in place.

Do members think that businesses sellng items in either For Sale or the Group Buy section should be required to state that they are a business and include their business name? What constitutes a business (for example, I'm privately selling items with the intention of making profit at the moment.... does that make me a business?). It's never easy

One which I would like to mention now as it is happenning a lot is people putting up numerous ad's for various items for sale. If you have multiple items to sell please put them all on ONE ad, otherwise it is just pushing other legitimate for sale ads off the page.

Ben

 

why not have some sub categories

like a "garage sale" type section for people selling off old parts.... a traders section for people selling things for profit.... etc



::Risk::

 

If a business (i.e. has an ABN) then should state name of business.

Second; when selling multiple items at the same time then should be listed all in one post; like you did Ben

 

Nobody sells anything without some form of profit>

therefore profit should not be a determining factor.

I beleive that any legitimate business should indicate to that effect, when advertising in our For Sale Forum, however I think it would be reasonable to allow such business to include a small (emphisis on small) Logo or Letterhead in the ads. The reasoning behind this is simple, any legitimate business will jump at an opportunity to have free advertising, and any business that objects to this requirement, is perhaps, not one that this forum should be seen to support.
Further to this, any business that doesn't disclose that they are a business, should be asked to do so in future, or be denied use of this For Sale opportunity.

If members become aware that some advertisers are in fact, businesses, they should be encouraged to report that fact to the Moderators (together with suitable evidence).

This might sound a bit tough, but you either regulate it firmly, or do nothing at all. Half measures only create suspicion and distrust of motives.

Cheers

 

Go to disagree with your initial remark Lloyd,

is what I am referring to. Lots of items are for sale because people don't want or need them any more. How many people would be able to sell their Z's for a profit? Could you possibly hope to sell your wheels for a profit?

As Ben has intimated , there are grey areas everywhere in this exercise. With apologies to wisc and his unfortunate circumstances, we could have a guy that writes his Z off, and then tries to maximise a bad situation by buying the salvage and selling off everything for whatever he can get. In no way is he a business in that scenario. The same car could also be sold to someone like kler, or James007, (apologies to you both), who would obviously then be out to make a profit, and who may or may not run, work for, or be acting on behalf of ABN registered businesses.

The items I have sold here have not been sold at a profit, whether items off my Z or books through group buys. There is a big difference between someone selling off parts because they are upgrading, and someone selling parts that they have purchased for $xxx and are advertising for $xxx+20%.

I think the ABN criteria is sufficient enough to determine whether or not a business name should be posted. If someone is obliged to give you a tax invoice, it's a business - but, as you say, in that scenario a business logo is only fair.

1 other rule - NO AUCTIONS! But even this is a grey area. What if I advertise my BOV's and hardpipes for sale at $250ono, and someone says OK, $200. Someone else then offers $220. Has it turned into an auction?

 

yes from my recent experience, I agree with no auction

on this site. It's ok to sell here if you have an idea of what you want for the part, but if you are unsure what price to ask (as I was) then it should be auctioned on a site like ebay which already makes it easier to control auction type sales.

anyone have any objections to putting up posts in the for sale section such as "my part is for sale on ebay - here is the link" ??

Pete.

 

I agree with RZM

Try to keep the FOR SALE forum to owner/members without 'dutch auctions' if poss.

If UAS and others post they should make clear their 'commercial' leaning.

'Cottage' industries such as Russell Corbett, MikeZ & Zeddude'ette are another matter; as Zed owners they should be treated as 'non-commercial' ... IMHO.

As always, (and should be) moderators will rule, one way or t'other.

 

but John owns a Zed

 

Perhaps I'm being naive

but the distinction should be made because _________ ?

 

Agree - no auctions. It brings done the level of behaviour on the ...

forum.

If someone wants top dollar, then research the part and ask for it. Don't ask for 1/2 the amount because you're lazy and then get people bidding higher. If you say you want $xx, then sell it for that price - don't go fishing.

CheerZ

Vincent

 

Think you've missed my point entirely Mikey.

At no point in my post, did I suggest that ordinary members trying to dispose of unwanted items, be treated as "businesses". I stated veiws related to "legitimate businesses" only.
If my attempted explianation wasn't clear, then I apologize, but I stand by my remarks re: "No half measures".
You and I both know that permitting one person some latitude, whilst denying the same latitude to someone else, will bring forth cries of "favouritism", "bias" and "victimisation" from the various interest groups, and that will be disasterous for the forum.

I did say:

"Nobody sells anything without some form of profit",

and I will maintain my veiwpoint on that. "Some form of profit" doesn't imply that money is the intended gain, but rather that some improvement in the sellers situation will be the desired outcome.( You can "profit" by gaining knowledge, or by making a friend, or by freeing-up some garage space, or any of a number of other desirable end results.)

"therefore profit should not be a determining factor"

I think the above remark indicates my support for your veiw, whether you make a profit or not, shouldn't determine whether you are veiwed as running a business.

Cheers mate

 

There Definately should be measures for bussineses.

Just do what you did before. I never seen Simon advertising in the for sale section. If a bussines would like to sell something then they are welcome to have their " LINK " added to our collection, like TTZD or UAS. IMO for sale section should be restricted only to forum members ( and yes i do realise it's impossible to know who REALLY owns a Z and who just made one up GOD_of_ZEDS). Anyway there should be measures brought in to smoothe things over. As far as the auction thing, i think if someone want's something so bad that they wanna pay more for it they should and have a right to make an offer and if someone else doesn't like it than bad luck. This is a public forum, if someone hijacked your eamail and made a better offer than there is a reason to be pissed off about.

But on the other hand we can't expect everyone to "Behave" like gentlemen when it's expected.

Well that's my two cents

 

Kyne, don't be a smartass

You know exactly what we're talking about!

 

It doesn't need to be hard......>>

The rules just need to be simple. Does it matter if the person selling the part is a buisness or not? It is a part for sale at a specified price, if you want it, buy it, if not, don't comment. It is to hard to split members selling old parts, members who fabricate parts, members who run home buisnesses, members who run legitimate buisnesses that deal in Zed parts....etc.

Simple rules.

• No Auctions.
• No Multiple adds.
• Stateing ONO means you are open to offers. The first offer stands until it is rejected. Anyone coming in with a counter offer before the first offer is rejected will be seen to be trying to turn that sale into an auction and have their offer deleted.
• Post with no activity older then 2 months will be deleted.
• Posts for items that could breach legal guidelines (Porn, tabacco, firearms) will be deleted.

Can anyone add to the list?

 

Re: It doesn't need to be hard......>>

A Price should be included in the Ad. ie. saying something like "best offer" is inviting an auction...

If something is advertised at $250 ONO (I have made the figure up so if anyone is offering something for that amount I am not singling anyone out it is coincidence) and you offer $250 first you should WIN... BUT if someone then offers $280 for the item what is the Seller to do.... I believe they should take the $250 as they have stated they want that amount for the item.. the ONO stands for Or Nearest Offer Below Requested Amount.

 

"We are planning to introduce a number of classifieds section guidelines"

How much of what you are proposing is linked to/or affected by this "One single point" you have stated as open for discussion.

As a Zed owner I entered into manufacturing products for other Zed Owners to offer quality products at reasonable prices.

I believe that whatever your plans are I will be directly affected, so please allow me to work in conjunction with you to introduce a fair and achievable result for all parties.
Before contributing to this discussion could you please advise in full the statement above, as stated in your post.
"We are planning to introduce a number of classifieds section guidelines, which we would like some discussion on here to see what members would like to see in place."

For example, are any of the following included in your proposal:-
* Donations to the forum, if it is determined you are a business, or for someone selling multiples of an item.Donations in general for any items sold?
* Advertising fees for advertising space.
* Set up "Sticky's" at a fee.

I AM NOT SAYING FEES/DONATIONS/CHARGES are a negative. Anyone selling products has to take all overheads and expenses into consideartion when determining pricing. As none of this was applicable on the previous forum my current prices have been set based on the previous system.
THEREFORE, any NEW changes you are considering have the potential to affect me immensely.

You are aware I am directly affected by this point being discussed. So in order for me to make a fair contribution to the OPEN discussion could you please forward me the FULL proposed changes.
If confidentiality is an issue you can forward me the details via direct email.

I look forward to working with you to enable a positive outcome for all users on this forum.
ZEDDUDE'ette

 

Hi Tereza.....>>

To the best of my knowledge there are currently no guidelines, but we feel that some are needed so we are calling on discussion from the members as to what those guidelines should be.

Once again I will state that at present there is no proposal, just a request for feedback from the members (maybe Ben didn't phrase it correctly), so feel free to have your say on what you believe should or shouldn't be in the guidelines. One thing I can tell you is that charging for adds, accepting money from companies for "sticky" adds or accepting advertising of any type will never happen on this forum.

We have managed pretty well over the last 4+ years to keep this site as advertising free as possible and it will stay that way. If we have to dig a little deeper, or sell a wider variety of forum badged products to do it then that is what will be done. All members will be given an equal chance to display and sell their items.

 

Thankyou for clearing that up Pete

OK! with your response I will consider my comments ready for reply.

While Ive got you, could you please explain your comment :-

"Post with no activity older then 2 months will be deleted."

Is activity defined as people opening the post and reading it?

Thanks.

 

It is based on......>>

Response. I can't track the date of the last time a post was read, as they can be read while the member is not logged on, so it goes on the last time a message was placed on the thread. As I've just explained to Lloyd, in another section of the site, if a member wants to keep an add alive they merely need to go in and post a message to the effect that product/part X is still available. Either that or they can wait till it is deleted and then post a new add, as I notice you have done. That is probably the better option as it refreshes the add, instead of leaving it at the back on the last page.

Hmmm, that makes me think there needs to be some sort of rule for this, other wise you will get people relisting their items the moment it passes off the first page.

 

Thanks for that! Dilemma's Dilemma's ! Never ending

Yes! one thing rolls into the next.

Wow! you could end with curly hair at this rate Pete!
But I suppose that's better than going "bald" with grief and worry.