Conzult and O2 Sensors

Discussion in 'Technical' started by the_cypha, Mar 31, 2008.

  1. the_cypha

    the_cypha Project Z Coordinator

    My car has been only getting 300km to a tank recently and so i decided to check the O2 sensors using my yet to be installed carpc

    These are pics of the O2 sensor readouts in a few different programs.

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    Also when i tried to use Conzult i got this error on screen:
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    Does anyone know why i got the error on conzult but on the free demo version it works?

    The 02 Sensors did not flucuate at all, they remained constant at their voltages, does this mean theyre screwed?
     
    Last edited: Mar 31, 2008
  2. ed300zx

    ed300zx Active Member

    on my first cruise i remember when revving the car the readouts changed for both, one better than the other, thus the other one was screwed.....so i dont think they are supposed to stay constant....was a while ago so dont hold me to it
     
  3. Stef

    Stef Active Member

    I can't see a thing on those pics

    But, after the car has warmed up, they should fluctuate.

    I was watching both of them on the way home from work when the car was running poorly 2 days before the trip to Cowra. The left O2 got stuck on 100% below 3000rpm, but fluctuating above that. Traced it down to a faulty coil pack on no 6 eventually, causing it not to fire and therefore run rich.

    I imagine they would get stuck at 0 or 100 if you are running lean or rich.
     
  4. sandeep

    sandeep Active Member

    They won't fluctuate at idle. At 2000rpm the o2's should be sweeping from side to side about once a second. Make sure the car is warmed up and at operating temp when you do the tests.
    Also your TPS voltage is abit high, I think it should be adjusted to between 0.44-0.46V
     
  5. the_cypha

    the_cypha Project Z Coordinator

    Lol i cant actually make the pics bigger cause it was a screen shot and thats the resolution my monitor is running at. I let the car warm up and they didnt fluctuate at all. Once warm it just got stuck on .71 Volts. At one point when it wasnt warm the car seemed to run a little rough and then they fluctuate and ran from lean-rich but other than that it didnt do anything. Mind you this was at idle. Should it fluctuate even when at idle?
     
  6. ed300zx

    ed300zx Active Member

    i didnt think so...only when revving and driving
     
  7. the_cypha

    the_cypha Project Z Coordinator

    so in otherwords my tests are useless and i need to plug it in again and then let it warm up and rev it a little and see what happens?
     
  8. heavytrevy

    heavytrevy "Hammer time "

    Yep, hold it steady at 2000rpm they should swing between 20-80 ish

    Regards
    Trev
     
  9. Stef

    Stef Active Member

    That's better, they were 320x200 before

    You are only displaying one of the O2's. You need to go into setup to activate the other.

    Also if you get communications error, you may have to restart conzult, or reboot. I found with the car PC, that if you hibernate rather than shutting down when you turn the car off, the USB ports often don't come back and you have to reboot anyways.

    But if one gets stuck on a fixed value, you may have a short in the wiring or faulty sensor. They will probably not fluctuate at idle - rev above 3000 rpm and watch

     
  10. ed300zx

    ed300zx Active Member

    :thumbup: yep
     
  11. pexzed

    pexzed Forum Administrator

    It's worth noting, that not only does the car need to be at operating temp, so does the exhaust.
    The O2s only work when they are HOT--HOT--HOT.
     
  12. polgar

    polgar New Member

    fule

    how many km should you be getting of one tank?
     
  13. heavytrevy

    heavytrevy "Hammer time "

    Around 400km around town over 600km on the open road.
    depends on ur right foot.

    Regards,
    Trev
     
  14. polgar

    polgar New Member

    wow

    really? coz i havent been getting that at all i would be around 300. should i check my O2 sensor as well?
     
  15. ed300zx

    ed300zx Active Member

    yep and your all of your connections
     
  16. polgar

    polgar New Member

    O2

    i dont have that program. do you know any one who i can go to to have a look at it? thanks. in melb
     
  17. heavytrevy

    heavytrevy "Hammer time "

    Do u have a TT ? if so check its NOT in saftey boost.
    saftey boost will make u run hella rich....

    Regards,
    Trev
     
  18. polgar

    polgar New Member

    Na

    na im not old enough to have a tt but soon :D what about with a NA?
     
  19. ed300zx

    ed300zx Active Member

    300 on an na :eek: defiantly not good...should be getting better econ than the tt...

    from tech section

    Z32 Fuel Economy

    There is always a lot of conjecture about the fuel economy of these cars.
    Some people seem to get 200 km per tank around the city, others get 550km, and most get somewhere in between.

    There are of course many factors that will affect your fuel economy. Some but not all are listed here:-

    * A heavy right foot (Driving Style)
    * Faulty, disconnected or lazy O2 Sensors.
    If the ECU can't read values from the O2 sensors, then the closed loop section of the program (normal easy light throttle driving - includes highway cruising) will be too rich and you will use extra fuel at these times.
    * Vacuum and boost leaks
    * Coolant temperature sensor
    * Detonation sensor
    * General engine condition - Cylinder Compression, spark plugs, injectors, and all the electrical connectors under the bonnet, and other basic mechanical stuff
    * Exhaust blockage (Catalytic converter breakdown)
    * Fuel Leaks (check lines and clamps)
    * Dirty Air filter

    There will be other reasons for bad fuel economy too, but these are the common ones

    Just to give you a ball park figure on how your Z's fuel economy compares to how Nissan intended when they came out of the factory,
    here are the Factory figures for a TT.
    NA Z's may do slightly better around town, as turbo cars love to drink the fuel on acceleration, but the NA may not do as well on the highway, with the different differential drive ratio (Higher engine revs required for the same road speed as compared to a TT)



    MPG = City Cycle @ 18 MPG - Highway Cycle @ 24 MPG

    18MPG ~ 15.5 Litres/100km
    24 MPG ~ 11.6Litres per 100km



    With a good tune you can certainly achieve better, but I feel this is the very best you would expect with a factory ECU considering a lot of cars could be a little tired. Given the figures above, and a capacity of 71 litres of fuel in the tank, this would give an approximate range of 458km in the city, and 612 km highway cycle.

    With furtherance to after market ECUs, I have a Unichip. With the unichip and a good tune (which I specified to the tuner that I wanted absolute economy in the closed loop area), I can achieve 8 litres/100km at 90kmph, and about 9 litres /100km at 100kmph, this would give me a maximum range of 887 km from a full tank of 71 litres at 90 kmph or 788 km from a full tank at 100kmph.

    I believe in 2.5 years of ownership of the car, the unichip has paid for itself in fuel savings, and maybe I've helped the environment too!

    Article submitted by PEXZED
     
    Last edited: Mar 31, 2008
  20. polgar

    polgar New Member

    shittttt

    so who do i go to that can have a look for me and tell me whats going on? how much are new O2 sensors?
     

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