Re-Build or New Gearbox

Discussion in 'Technical' started by Ns-Zed, Mar 17, 2014.

  1. Ns-Zed

    Ns-Zed Member

    thanks Shane. Will do diff oil as well.
     
  2. Shane001

    Shane001 Well-Known Member

    Also while you've got it up on stands changing the oil, see if there's any movement in the driveshaft, at either end or in the middle.
     
  3. Ns-Zed

    Ns-Zed Member

    ok will do. Pretty sure there isnt as I did the driveshaft bearing only recently and since have driven it all of 5 mins down the road...and did check for play in the shaft, which there was none. But will check again.
     
  4. tassuperkart

    tassuperkart Its a lie I tell you!

    To be honest, i dont think there is anything wrong with this gearbox at all.
    The OP'er is describing drivetrain chatter from low rpm/light flywheel perfectly.
    Additionally, buggered gearboxes dont suddenly go quiet above 2500rpm.
    The noise transmitted into the cabin from a torn or missing shifter boot cannot be underestimated!!!!
     
  5. Fists

    Fists Well-Known Member

    I would lean more to thrust bearing than output bearing since it goes quiet when you push the pedal, doing this the output shaft does not change but the thrust bearing gets pressed against the pressure plate which may quieten it if its loose and rattling either from wear or a locating spring falling off.

    Output bearing would be present whenever rolling and would change with road speed not engine rpm. Input bearing would make noise in neutral unless the noise is load related, does it get quieter when hold speed as opposed to accelerating?
     
  6. GWZED

    GWZED 97 2+2 TT Targa

    Agree with this as I just replaced my shifter bushes and left the rubber boot loose. Lots of noise in 2nd and 4th and reverse as the boot pulled upwards. Fixed it up again and cannot believe the amount of noise those boots stop.
     
  7. mholt

    mholt Member

    Its funny any of the oldest type drivers on here usually learnt how to double shuffle on down changes and just pause at the gate for a millisecond before throwing it into another gear. All my manual boxes lasted just fine even racing them, but if you were ham fisted you can beat the syncro in say 5th or whatever the other trick was to put the 80-90 oil in box but put some auto tranny red stuff as well, helped when the box is stiff in the morning and very cold, an old mechanics tip
     
  8. A-Bris-Z

    A-Bris-Z Carcraze

    No one has mentioned input shaft bearing yet? Definitely something to consider as another alternative.
     
  9. Nikybomb

    Nikybomb New Member

    Where did you get that $1500 price to rebuild a box? All the quotes I got in perth were around 3.5k that's auto with a shift kit supply and fit.
     
  10. tassuperkart

    tassuperkart Its a lie I tell you!

    No-ones talking auto rebilds here M8. Prices are for manuals.
    Auto owners are charged so much to rebuild because of additional idiot tax......!!!!!!!!!

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  11. rob260

    rob260 Administrator Staff Member

    All the prices I referred to were for manual
     
  12. supersonic

    supersonic New Member

    Manual drivers are wannabe boy-racers? Says the man with shift buttons on the wheel, a trend inspired by formula 1. I mean who wouldn't want to play Schumacher (or are you too young for that...) with shift paddles...

    Anyone with experience on the track or strip can shift a manual zed faster than planetary auto gearboxes of the 80's and 90's, which your SAW-enabled Zed is also equipped with.
     
  13. brisz

    brisz Well-Known Member

    I assume when you say "faster" you mean actually changing gears, that may well be true if you time an auto across a gear change from start to finish, but the auto does not fully disengage in the process.

    But when I say an auto shifts "faster" than a manual I am more interested in the relationship to performance between the car and the ground.

    I can assure you in that context an auto will out perform a manual changing gears.
     
  14. supersonic

    supersonic New Member

    Yes by shift I meant change gears - upshift or downshift. Manual vs torque-converter automatic with a planetary gearset.

    Keeping it relevant to Z32s, manual vs auto is 5-speed vs 4-speed (old gen) torque converter. Greater ratio spread, it's a fair bit heavier, less efficiency...

    I don't see how an auto zed (with SAW) has any advantages over a manual, without significant hardware upgrades to make it shift faster, and that's just on a drag strip.

    On the twisties or racetrack, unless the SAW kit rev-matches downshifts, it's at a disadvantage again.

    Keyboard warrior talk here though. Not that I have actual experience racing/dragging an auto zed, or timed the shifts. But I've had plenty of auto cars before a manual zed.

    I could change gears in my 2010 navara diesel 5-speed manual faster than my 04 BA falcon 4-speed torque converter auto would change, even with tiptronic (EDIT: ok that's a bit far-fatched, but you know what I mean)

    (NOTE: tiptronic is not as cool, or fast, as steering-wheel mounted SAW kit) :p
     
  15. tassuperkart

    tassuperkart Its a lie I tell you!

    I rather suspect the those who extoll the virtues of autos over manuals probably dont know actually how to drive a manual.
    Auto boxes have overtaken manuals for sure. Thing is its not the majority, and never really has been that would choose a manual. They were not as common and so new drivers were forced to drive manuals if they wanted to drive at all. Its just as time goes by, the auto option becomes cheaper and more readily available!!!!!
    Auto's , not that long ago was a significantly pricier option.
    C'est la vie!

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  16. supersonic

    supersonic New Member

    Thread = jacked

    True Tas.

    New-generation 7/8 speed torque-converter autos are popular on luxury cars for their smoothness etc. Small european cars and high-end performance cars are using twin-clutch gearboxes because they shift at under 0.1 seconds which improves acceleration figures.

    And these gearboxes with tight 7+ ratios help meet fuel efficiency and emissions regulations.

    But :br: every day for me thanks.
     

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