diagnostic on big end bearings

Discussion in 'Technical' started by Madcow, Jan 2, 2014.

  1. Madcow

    Madcow Active Member

    So this is out the engine I had with a blown headgasket. Along with that it had what sounded like a big end bearing going at high rpm. The motor had been build in the backyard by a previous owner.

    Stripped the motor down to check them out, and this is what I found.


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    I never seen bearings with those chunks taken out? Lack of oil maybe?
     
  2. ProckyZ89

    ProckyZ89 Senior Member


    Oil and actual physical contact by looks of it
     
  3. Martin Williams

    Martin Williams Well-Known Member

    IMHO its caused by water in the oil.
     
  4. CHILI

    CHILI Indestructable Target

    Lack of oil and/or badly fitted bearings(insufficient clearance)resulting in overheating and melting of bearing material. IMHO.:eek:
     
  5. Madcow

    Madcow Active Member


    That is what I was thinking! (the clearance part) I wanted to see if anyone else was thinking along the same lines as I was.
     
  6. Jinxed

    Jinxed Moderator

    interesting that the pitting in the bearing shells is all in the same apprx position.
     
  7. Chev28

    Chev28 Member

    Oil starvation, that's all the shiny stuff is.

    No discolourisation or from burnt metal.

    The shiny patches are along the wear lines and not across it nor just on the side of the bearing - indicating that the crank and journals were shaped right.

    Going by the pitting I would say crap or very old oil.

    The following has a good run down on most failures.

    http://www.nb-cofrisa.com/docs/web_fallos_ing.PDF
     
  8. Madcow

    Madcow Active Member

    The other interesting part was the chipped part were all from the conrod top part and not the bottom.
     
  9. cervus

    cervus Member

  10. Chev28

    Chev28 Member

    Ah, so cavitation at TDC - sounds reasonable.
     
  11. dieseldave

    dieseldave Well-Known Member

    Over loaded bearing

    What has happened here is the white metal has lift off the base me trial this does happen due to oil starvation. Either it has been detonating, or the driver has over speed the engine, or there has been significant low rpm knocking.
    What happens is the oil wedge puts such load on the shell it causes crack in the white metal, oil the is forced into the cracks then underneath the softer white metal. This is a very rare failure for a petrol engine, and is more likely in a diesel. The fact that you could tear it down and find this is testimony to the inherent strength of the vg. I call it operator error failure.
     
  12. Madcow

    Madcow Active Member

    It did have a knock over 6,000rpm. Under that it was ok.
     
  13. BADZX

    BADZX Grumpy old fart

    What Dave said..... read it again :D



    Low oil levels at an idle cause 'pulses' through the oil system, these pulses act like a hydraulic punch at the softer white-metal and basically blasts away the white metal.


    The same thing happens at high rpm with a low oil level, the oil pump struggles to supply a constant pressure of oil..... pulses again happen and they then attack the bearing, only far faster than the idle process.



    The engines I've seen it in before are.....
    V6 from a metro CBD = spent most of its life at idle at the lights and wasn't serviced at all well.
    Diesel Generator static plant= the generator was only started 2~3 times a year and left to idle for about an hour before being shut down (noise of the engine wasn't good for patients), it also had never had an oil change in ~20years
    :eek:
    1936HarleyDavidson engine= converted to run a waterpump on a farm during the 2nd WW, left at low rpm for hours on end and un-serviced entirely, only topped up with sump oil up until 2001 when I snaveled the engine for a slab
    :rofl:

    interestingly enough I got 3 Harley engines from that farm, a 1926 motor that's good as a door stop and a 1939 WL motor that had suffered from a holed piston, the replacement piston was hand crafted from a lump of redgum and had a copper "hat" nailed onto the crown and large copper wire was used as rings.....
    tough times back then :eek:
     
  14. Chev28

    Chev28 Member

    Way forward

    Dave was suggesting over running or low speed knock. In the absence of the latter, I also suspect the former. Also bad or old oil unable to keep up with engine flogging.

    Anyway the way forward is obviously a tidy up of the crank and big end but also look at oil pump and system.
     

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